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Asked: September 14, 20212021-09-14T16:32:59+00:00 2021-09-14T16:32:59+00:00In: Knowledge

In Sikhi it is taught God Created itself. How is this possible?

Karan Singh
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    1. sarbjitsingh
      sarbjitsingh Scholar
      2021-09-15T06:30:04+00:00Added an answer on September 15, 2021 at 6:30 am

      ਪਿਤਾ ਕਾ ਜਨਮੁ ਕਿ ਜਾਨੈ ਪੂਤੁ ॥ – 284
      Son can not know how father was born. Akal Purkh is the father of all and everything. Hence we can not know about His birth.
      We can see unlimited number of physical entities around us. These all have been formed from something else with some process. We will have to build the chain for formation backward to origin. Which is impossible.
      That is why Guru Sahib have taught about the self creation about Akal Purkh.
      With science we are able to go up to particle level and not beyond that.
      We know very little about the life and things operating at mental level.
      Hence we can go up to some particular level and not beyond that.

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      • Karan Singh
        Karan Singh
        2021-11-06T11:24:38+00:00Replied to answer on November 6, 2021 at 11:24 am

        Thank you

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        • Chaudhry Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt
          Chaudhry Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt
          2024-09-29T13:05:38+00:00Replied to answer on September 29, 2024 at 1:05 pm

          Hi Brethren,
          Very basic Saying of St. Thomas explained:-
          St. Thomas Logo (5) Jesus said, “Recognize what is in your sight, and that is hidden from you will become plain to you. For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest.”
          God is known by His Word called Logo and Logo is the end product of the logical reasoning or Nectar called Satgur Parsad. Satgur comprises two words; Sat = Absolute Truth and Gur = Formula = Tariqa = Danghh. For example, that is seen with the two natural eyes: “First know what you see, then what you do not see would be known to you, the Invisible God”. The tribal people can build their covenant with Adam through races such as Aryan, Negro, Semitic, etc. Thus, the tribal people Jatt, Arorra, Khatri, etc., the “ASTHOOL ROOP” that you can touch are born and they will die and not the spiritual “SOOKHSHUM ROOP” self such as Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, etc. This has also been stressed by St. Paul, “A Jew is inwardly spiritual self and not outwardly tribal self”. So, not a single Jew, Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, etc. died during the Holocaust or the sectarian riots. My late father used to have this knowledge and during the Partition of India, 2000 Arians came to attack our village. Fortunately, the head of the attacking party was a Zaildar friend of my uncle. Before attacking our village, he sent our village Marraasi to bring him out to explain why we had people gathered in our village. My father went with him and when he told the Zaildar that Sikh and Muslim are the spiritual selves never born and never die but the tribal selves Arian and Jatt were born they will die during these riots, the Zaildar retorted that we have no enmity against Jatts and we are friends. So, he told his 2000 strong fanatics that we Jatts are their GUESTS in Allah and no harm should be done to us. He further urged my father to accompany him to Lahore, the capital of Punjab, to stop these sectarian riots but my father replied, it was too late. This is called the Gospel Truth Logo, the Very Face of God as stated in the Bible, “Every plant, person, that my heavenly father Yahweh, Brahma, Khudah, etc. did not plant, swears his tribal covenant with Adam and becomes the son of Satan Al-Djmar Al-Aksa, the religious leaders such as were Lala M.K. Gandhi, a Bania represented Hindus, Lala Tara Singh Malhotra Khatri represented Sikhs and Lala Mohd. Ali Jinnah represented the Muslims with the collusion of the “Saltless” British for them our soldiers died during the Second World War but were not appreciated in Mammon and now, you fight with each other and we will sell you arms under obligation whilst the tribal people of Russia helped us. Satguru = Christ Nanak Dev Ji also said, “BEEO BEEJ. those who do not forget their tribal identities, PATT LAE GAYE, their safety remained intact, ABB KEUN OWAE DAAL, without your tribal identity called born of water, you cannot know your Supernatural Father or BRAHM KAE BAETTAE SHABD PAEHSHAATA, the sons of Man, the tribal people, BRAHM KAE BAETTAE will know God Parbrahm, Allah, Elohim, etc. through His Word or from Kacha Peo, tribal father in BRAHMA, YAHWEH, KHUDAH, etc. to Pakka Peo of souls Parbrahm, Allah, Elohim, etc. “His Word” Logo is the Very Face of God and there is nothing below this BOTTOMLINE GOSPEL TRUTH and that makes our Supernatural spiritual Father Self-Existant, SAI BHANG. This Dark Age called “KALYUG” is defined by Satguru = Christ Nanak in His Saying”SACH KALL, the famine of truth, KOORR VERTAEAA, the falsehoods are prevalent, KALL, the Dark Age, KAA LAKH, the characteristics of this Dark Age, BAE TAALL, people speak without any logic, BEEO BEEJ PATT LAYE GAYAE ABB KEUN OGWAE DAALL. So, the countries belong to the tribal people and not to the religious people Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, etc. fanatic sons of the most powerful Satan Al-Djmar Al-Aksa that used to be repulsed during the Hajj Rites for boys aged 12 to 16 who kept Kabah, the Temple of Adam Shiv, to their right-hand side while going around seven times related to the Menorah – SAY ISLAMA, EEMAN, Kacha or Pakka, HAS NOT ENTERED YOUR HEART YET. Thus, Hajj, born of water “Ilah”, is the threshold to Islam in which you become the Son of Al-Ilah = Allah; the Aariff; no more prayer or fasting but Preach the Gospel Truth. The mosque is for the once-born Mohammedans engaged in prayers and fasting and it is highly forbidden to the children, who have just performed the Hajj rites for the sons of Man – Al-Haraam.

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    2. ਇਕ ਪੰਥ ਇਕ ਸੋਚ
      ਇਕ ਪੰਥ ਇਕ ਸੋਚ Scholar
      2021-09-15T06:44:28+00:00Added an answer on September 15, 2021 at 6:44 am

      SIKHISM is not a religion it leads all humanity to brother hood of mankind.guru sahibji and Sikhs sacrifices so that this voice should be reach to the all humanity on earth.but selfishness of our political and religious leaders has made it narrow. so no doubt it have directly related to one.AND HIS OWN.

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      • Karan Singh
        Karan Singh
        2021-11-06T11:25:42+00:00Replied to answer on November 6, 2021 at 11:25 am

        Thank you

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    3. hkandola
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      2021-09-14T17:36:37+00:00Added an answer on September 14, 2021 at 5:36 pm

      Jaskaranji spiritual philosophy of NANAK does not say GOD created itself, rather it says THE SHABAD, UNIVERSAL LIFE ENRGY. ESSENCE OF LIFE ( AAD SACH) existed itself ( SAIBHANG) before anything else. THE UNIVERSAL LIFE ENERGY manifested itself as universe. In other words NIRGUN ,THE FORMLESS BECAME SIRGUN , THE UNIVERSE. It is mistake to say GOD created itself or GOD created this universe. I think science today kind of agree with this .

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      • gurbanikhoj13@gmail.com
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        2023-02-04T07:05:46+00:00Replied to answer on February 4, 2023 at 7:05 am

        Kandola Sahib.
        You say God is SHABAD, ENERGY.

        But Guru Nanak said “As the Word of the Forgiving Lord comes to me, so do I express it, O Lalo: SGGS SGGS 722 Tilang M:1)” meaning that SHABAD (Word of God – Khasam Ki Bani) came from God. God self-existed before the Shabad was created. So SHABAD is not God, but one can say Bani, the word of God, is the manifestation of God in the creation.

        Secondly, ENERGY has units TIME … But God is timeless … so GOD cannot be ENERGY. ENERGY only exists in the creation not in the timeless realm where God existed before the creation. After creating the creation, God pervades the creation … this does not mean the creation is God.

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      • Karan Singh
        Karan Singh
        2021-11-06T11:24:57+00:00Replied to answer on November 6, 2021 at 11:24 am

        Thank you

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    4. Sadhu Singh
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      2021-09-14T18:41:04+00:00Added an answer on September 14, 2021 at 6:41 pm

      In very simlple language Sikhi believe in the scientific BIG BANG theory of the creation of the universe. Gurbani believes 1ਓ is one. In NIRGUN state He/She is omnipresent, omnipotent and transcendental, in Immanent SARGUN state; Creator is in the creation, kind, loving, compessionate etc.

      We know the scientific truth about energy. It cannot be destroyed but can change its form. God within his/her Will can take Sargun to Nirgun and vice versa .

      SARGUN NIRGUN NIRANKAR SUN SMADHI AAP II ANK 290
      AAPN KEEIA NANAKA AAPE HE PHIR JAAP II

      AARBAD NERBAD DHUUNDU KARAA II ANK 1035-36
      DHARN NA GAGNA HUKAM AAPARA II
      NA DIN RAIN NA CHAND NA SURAJ SUUN SMADH LAGAIDA II

      For endless time there was utter darkness. There was no earth or sky. There was infinite Hukm (command) of God. There was no day or night, no sun or moon, 1ਓ was in primal (Nirgun) state

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      • Karan Singh
        Karan Singh
        2021-11-06T11:25:17+00:00Replied to answer on November 6, 2021 at 11:25 am

        Thank you

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      • gurbanikhoj13@gmail.com
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        2023-02-04T20:08:04+00:00Replied to answer on February 4, 2023 at 8:08 pm
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        I assume you claim that Gurbani believes in the BIG BANG theory. I think this is wrong. Gurbani stated ਏਕ ਕਵਾਵੈ ਤੇ ਸਭਿ ਹੋਅਆ in 1500. BIG BANG was introduced around 1950s, 450 years later. The fact is that the BIG BANG substantiates what Gurbani stated 450 years ago. How can you claim that Gurbani believes in a mathematical explanation that did not exist?
        Do not compare NIRGUN/SARGUN to energy conservation. Energy does not exist in the NIRGUN state. Such statement will mislead the reader/learner.

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    5. Simranjit Singh
      Simranjit Singh
      2021-09-15T14:11:50+00:00Added an answer on September 15, 2021 at 2:11 pm

      Don’t think anyone can answer this question in a way which can satisfy your desire of knowledge; as the answer may (hope so) be attained by experience not discussion.

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      • gurbanikhoj13@gmail.com
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        2023-02-04T07:11:51+00:00Replied to answer on February 4, 2023 at 7:11 am

        Please download and read the book (at the LINK). You may find it may satisfy your desire of knowledge. You are welcome to ask questions on the book. See link on pages ii.

        Download LINK: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AgJ9TLoOiZkMgpdR2vTeMUW7sh07Bw?e=CuH19S

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    6. jagdeepsingh
      jagdeepsingh
      2021-09-26T19:41:48+00:00Added an answer on September 26, 2021 at 7:41 pm
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      Gurbani Never said God was self-created. It says God is self-existent.
      Creation means there must exist a beginning point, a time when it was created. But God has no beginning point / no birth.
      Refer jap Ji sahib
      Kavan su vela, wakht kavan, jit hoya aakar, cont…

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    7. Aman Singh Duggal
      Aman Singh Duggal
      2022-06-24T17:39:47+00:00Added an answer on June 24, 2022 at 5:39 pm

      The truth is something which remains unchanged. If someone has no birth nor death then it has no need to be created. Sikhi doesn’t state what you have mentioned

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    8. gurbanikhoj13@gmail.com
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      2023-02-03T20:30:36+00:00Added an answer on February 3, 2023 at 8:30 pm
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      Gurbani says God is SELF-EXISTENT ਸੈਭੰ. Please read and understand Timeless and Time-bound in the book (at the LINK). Also read Appendix 2 and you will better understand where leading scientist concluded. You are welcome to ask questions on the book. See link on page ii.
      Download LINK: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AgJ9TLoOiZkMgpdR2vTeMUW7sh07Bw?e=CuH19S

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    9. sarbjitsingh
      sarbjitsingh Scholar
      2021-09-16T22:28:25+00:00Added an answer on September 16, 2021 at 10:28 pm

      You may please go through the articles and videos from the following websites for knowing about Hukam
      Web = https://sites.google.com/view/sikhism/ http://www.sikhmarg.com/article-dr-sarbjit.html http://www.geocities.ws/sarbjitsingh/,

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      • Karan Singh
        Karan Singh
        2021-11-06T11:26:15+00:00Replied to answer on November 6, 2021 at 11:26 am

        Thank you

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    10. Sirtaj singh
      Sirtaj singh
      2023-07-05T16:01:25+00:00Added an answer on July 5, 2023 at 4:01 pm

      There is no god , there is only existance of nature
      Kudrat balhari vasya….
      Pawan guru pani pita, mata dharat mahat
      Divas raat dui daai daya khele sagal jagat
      And guru nanak sahib also said sachkhand vase nirakar
      Because if there is god then nobody wants to be god because there will be no rest time and 24×7 buisy to make account of billions of people, animals, birds sea animals and insects etc.and which language will be common for Europe, africa and Asian …so respect the natur and do meditation 🧘‍♂️ to make ur mind strong as u go zym to make ur body strong. If any question left plz ask

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        2023-10-16T12:18:14+00:00Replied to answer on October 16, 2023 at 12:18 pm

        u must stop spreading this message.. God is self existence.. forever existing.. never born and never died.. this is belief in jewish, christian, islam and sikh… how can u say therw is no God.. God send guru nanak to earth.. the mool mantar was given to guru nanak by God.. waheguru.. please read more about sikhi and dont spread fake news.. pavan guru literally means we must appreciate the nature as the gurus

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